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Monday, January 13, 2014

NO NO NO CLOSED MIDNIGHT TILL 5 AM SAY IT IS NOT SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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WHY?? You let people jump and come through the fence 
come in without id. How come I can't with a barcode reader or transponder
I guess I will have to just move closer to the fence?????????
January 13, 2014 at 1:02 PM
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  1. Clarence HJanuary 13, 2014 at 1:02 PM

    WHY?? You let people jump and come through the fence come in without id. How come I can't with a barcode reader or transponder
    I guess I will have to just move closer to the fence?????????

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  2. CathyJanuary 13, 2014 at 3:36 PM

    Are you really out at this time? Really, how many people in Century Village are out at this time in the middle of the night. What's the big deal showing your badge,

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  3. Lanny HoweJanuary 13, 2014 at 6:29 PM

    Every couple of months Clarence H resurrects this issue, Cathy. He is out late because he watches the late night movies at the Regal Theater, so it's nothing scandalous. Don4060 has suggested a special "Batmobile" entrance be constructed for him, but I am unaware of how this is proceeding.

    A lot of residents who are accustomed to easy entry at all hours using their transponders don't like having to dig out their Village ID. They feel put upon by this regulation, the purpose of which is to cut down on late night burglaries. I have no idea if it is working. We need someone to step up and say, "I didn't burglarize CV last night because I couldn't get in using the transponder lane."

    It appears now that Clarence H is considering moving nearer the fence so he could come in over it like the bad guys do. Trying to picture this, I have to say I think getting unstuck on those sharp prongs at the top of the fence would take him longer than waiting to show his ID. Someone may need to take him in hand. Perhaps I can convince Bryna (president of his condo association) to speak to him.

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  4. AnonymousJanuary 13, 2014 at 7:28 PM

    What makes secret crime fighter entrances secret is not talking about the secret crime fighter entrance.

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  5. UCO PresidentJanuary 13, 2014 at 9:04 PM

    Hi Don4060,

    You are correct of course.
    Now for a key question in this regard,

    How does one get to the Bat cave?

    Dave Israel

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  6. Bob RiveraJanuary 13, 2014 at 11:40 PM

    Hate to say it, but I kinda agree with Clarence. I paid for a transponder, and like Clarence, I may go out in the middle of the night on occasion. Why pay so much money for a transponder and not be able to use it but part time? I think a refund is due!

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  7. GraceJanuary 14, 2014 at 8:27 AM

    I absolutely agree. Midnight is not the middle of the night,Cathy. We have younger 55s and older people who don't go to sleep early. I have come home many times after midnight and don't like to dig deep in my purse to find my pass. We need a better system.

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  8. Clarence HJanuary 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM

    WHY is it secured in the day time but not at night?

    Lanny Howe, Bryna has talked to me and I did lay off, but, then my name was called out from the officer that motioned for it.

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  9. Lanny HoweJanuary 14, 2014 at 11:30 AM

    Bryna DID talk with you, Clarence? I was only joking. Now my name will be mud with her. The only answer will be to take her out to eat. She has been a wonderful next-door neighbor to us. Most of what I learned when I was president of our condo association I learned from her.

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  10. AnonymousJanuary 14, 2014 at 5:12 PM

    Every time poor Clarence complains about the midnite lockdown someone asks " what the hell are you doing out in the middle of the night?"

    This amuses me.

    There used to be a time when people like us went out to "get the papers" or go for Carvel or coffee and scrambled eggs. Now when I find myself outside the gates after dark, I feel like I am on another planet. And I really don't like it.

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  11. elainebJanuary 14, 2014 at 5:24 PM

    We know there are night walkers, vampires, zombies, witches, ghosts, goblins, fiends..

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  12. UCO PresidentJanuary 14, 2014 at 6:08 PM

    Hi all,
    Hi all,

    It’s been so long since this first came up, that one may have forgotten the genesis.

    It was claimed by a UCO VP that a problem existed wherein Grandchildren took Grandmas transponder equipped car out after dark, and returned late at night with prostitutes, drugs, booze…Etc.

    These people returned unchallenged through the transponder gate, and raised a noisy ruckus in the building.

    So, in due course of time votes were taken on the Security Committee and the transponder gate was closed from 12 – 5am. The concept being, that the reprobates would be unable to produce the qualifying ID at the guard posted gate,

    Has it made a difference, I do not know; but I do know how to change it.

    If there is a sufficient number of Delegates opposed to this rule, one Delegate need rise at Delegate Assembly, move to leave the transponder gate open 24/7 and obtain a majority vote of the Delegates present, assuming there is a quorum.

    Clarence H, are you a Delegate?

    Dave Israel

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  13. AnonymousJanuary 14, 2014 at 8:11 PM

    Ha! Grandchildren causing ruckus.

    That used to be me in the eighties.

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  14. CathyJanuary 14, 2014 at 8:11 PM

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  15. CathyJanuary 14, 2014 at 8:12 PM

    Sorry Grace, I meant more like 3am in the morning. That is the middle of the night for me. Many times we came back past midnight that we had to use our badge at the gate and didn't find it a big deal. I don't make it a habit of being out that late unless it's an emergency that cannot be helped.

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  16. Clarence HJanuary 15, 2014 at 10:57 AM

    David Israel - No I am not a Delegate. "It was claimed by a UCO VP that a problem existed wherein Grandchildren took Grandmas transponder equipped car out after dark, and returned late at night with prostitutes, drugs, booze…Etc."
    This is what I heard! So why not turn off THIS transponder? Take away take away grandmas transponer till she can control her grandchildren. Make transponder that only work certain hours for certain owners. That way if your grandchildren are not allowed out, after hours they an not get back in. HIDE THE CAR KEYS.

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  17. Clarence HJanuary 15, 2014 at 3:41 PM

    that meeting ALL members present voted to reopen the gates at night. The gates were opened for a short time until the Officers committee (one man, especially) demanded that the gates again be closed.

    The crime rate in the Village went down BEFORE the gates were closed because of the extra effort of PBSO and our Security increased presents in the Southampton area. One person was arrested and there has been less crime since then. (not the gate closing).

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  18. GraceJanuary 17, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    I think that we need a change in the Officers committee. All that need be done is to discontinue the transponder in question. The Village does not have to be penalized because of a few grandchildren. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. UCO elections are coming up. Take a good look at the people running and decide who should not be reelected.

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  19. UCO PresidentJanuary 17, 2014 at 5:23 PM

    Hi Clarence,
    January 15, 2014 at 3:41 PM,

    There has been NO change in crime rate since turning of the gate from 12 -5am.

    You must understand that the VP in question has the "Grandma" problem in his building, and does not wish to deal with it.

    So, all must suffer. Ask your Delegate to make the motion.

    Dave Israel

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  20. concerned unit ownerJanuary 18, 2014 at 9:46 AM

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  21. concerned unit ownerJanuary 18, 2014 at 9:47 AM

    I'm also in agreement that the transponder lane not be closed after midnight. I'm on the Executive Committee as well as being a delegate. I don't recall being asked to vote on that issue. Did the officers do this on their own?

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  22. BettieLJanuary 18, 2014 at 7:43 PM

    Support David's statement fully.
    It has a history of support/withdrawl from Security,
    which I am on and as we well know
    there is a "Quartet" of Officer's
    who VOTE as ONE..along with the VP
    who initially proposed it...what
    chance does one have? I did not
    pay for PARTIAL USE of the Transponder lane and do not appreciate the INCONVENIENCE,caused to others!
    o

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  23. AnonymousJanuary 20, 2014 at 8:17 AM

    It would seem to me that this matter could be dealt with at the the Association level.

    In other words, the Association Officers should get off their asses and have the "grandbaby" evicted or barred. This requires a little money, and a little lawyer, but every Association has to do this occasionally. Our collective security depends on each Association doing it's job.

    If closing the transponder lane keeps the "grandbaby" from passing through the gates, that probably means that this person does not have a resident ID or gate pass, and very likely does not have residency approval from the Grandma's Association. Out he goes.

    There must be at least one Delegate who is as negatively impacted as Clarence is, and is willing to make the motion. Then the Assembly can decide.

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  24. Clarence HJanuary 20, 2014 at 10:00 AM

    "There must be at least one Delegate who is as negatively impacted as Clarence is, and is willing to make the motion. Then the Assembly can decide".
    This is all I'm asking! The transponder does work! Turn off the one that should not work.

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  25. AnonymousJanuary 20, 2014 at 12:46 PM

    So Clarence, what did your Delegate say? Yay or nay on making the motion?

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  26. Clarence HJanuary 21, 2014 at 11:43 AM

    nay

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  27. elainebJanuary 21, 2014 at 1:18 PM

    What do the guards say? How many forgetful people have they caught in their a.m. net, and how many bad guys/gals have been turned away?

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  28. AnonymousJanuary 21, 2014 at 3:39 PM

    I am pretty sure it is nay at my building as well. I am the baby of the building and I'm in by nine. Used to be nine pm is when I went out on Saturdays. No more.

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  29. Clarence HJanuary 21, 2014 at 3:47 PM

    David Israel said...
    Hi Clarence,
    January 15, 2014 at 3:41 PM,

    There has been NO change in crime rate since turning of the gate from 12 -5am.

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  30. AnonymousJanuary 21, 2014 at 4:28 PM

    I believe it. But I think that the predominant thinking here is "dosen't affect me- so why take a chance?".

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  31. Lanny HoweJanuary 21, 2014 at 10:01 PM

    This discussion reminds me of a chapter in the book "Parkinson's Law." The author claims that the amount of time a company board of directors spends discussing a project is in INVERSE proportion to the estimated cost of the project.

    He imagines a board of several men, only two of whom (at the time, this is years ago) know anything about an atomic reactor, first item on the agenda and the most expensive proposed project by far. It will cost the company $2 million. The directors pay no attention to the first expert, who is still slightly inebriated from the night before; the other expert is a quiet fellow, too meek to speak up. In five minutes they vote to spend the $2 million on the reactor.

    The second item on the agenda is a moderately-priced project, I forget what. They spend 20 minutes discussing this and come to a decision.

    The third proposal is whether to build a wooden bicycle shed costing $50 (the price at the time) for the employees. Now every director knows something about sheds and bicycles and has something to say. Should it be this big, built of that, with a door so wide, the roof sloped so much--discussion goes on for an hour and a half.

    It's all pretty funny.

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  32. Clarence HFebruary 4, 2014 at 3:43 PM

    I would like to know the names of the officers that want to not use the transponder 12 - 6 am. so I will know who not to vote for. This is very important.
    Also who voted to put the transponder lane in IF IT IS NOT SAFE!

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  33. UCO PresidentFebruary 4, 2014 at 4:09 PM

    Hi Clarence,
    February 4, 2014 at 3:43 PM,

    I think VP Gluszak raised this issue.

    The transponder lane is perfectly safe.

    Don't overlook the "Grandma Coefficient"! the GC was first hypothesized by Galois.

    There was a subsequent elegant proof by W.W. Rouse Ball.

    Dave Israel


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  34. Bob RiveraFebruary 6, 2014 at 12:16 AM

    This whole issue with the transponder lane being closed from midnight to 5am has gotten out of hand. I am also on the Executive Board and do not recall it coming for a vote. Maybe it did and I wasn't paying attention. I don't believe it did. You can rest assured that the matter will come up soon. If opening up the lane that I pay to go thru causes someone to step down, then so be it. It comes down to paying a toll in advance and being made to pay for it again. OPEN THE LANES.
    Turn off the troublemakers transponder, don't make everyone suffer for the one.

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  35. Clarence HFebruary 7, 2014 at 3:12 PM

    Transponder lane NO NOTICE OF MEETING BEFORE HAND?? I thought i was getting more people behind it??

    Let someone else bring it up, I tried.

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  36. Lanny HoweFebruary 8, 2014 at 12:06 PM

    Well, you have probably heard what happened at yesterday's delegates meeting, Clarence H. Bob Rivera made the motion that the transponder lane be kept open 24/7, it was seconded, there was a good deal of discussion pro and con, and the motion was soundly defeated. I voted for the lane being kept open, but the overwhelming majority voted against it.

    So far as I'm concerned this is NOT a major issue, and it can be dropped for now. If I come in after midnight, I'll just make it a point to have my Village ID card with me and show it to the guard. And if one forgets to carry his Village ID, he can still get in, I understand, by showing a photo ID such as a driver's license. Maybe those in the majority are right about the transponder lane issue. I've come to change my mind on plenty of things. This is a small potatoes matter, really, don't you think, Clarence H?

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  37. Clarence HFebruary 8, 2014 at 12:45 PM

    I agree it started out being a small issue when I read this, from David E.: "It was claimed by a UCO VP that a problem existed wherein Grandchildren took Grandmas transponder equipped car out after dark, and returned late at night with prostitutes, drugs, booze…Etc."

    Now every one thinks thieves are coming in that gate and they are scared

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