Recently I have heard 2 sets of people told to bring their issues to Good & Welfare at the Delegate Meeting. That portion of the meetings seems to be for statements, not discussion, or motions (Lee Hunt's ideas would have made excellent motions). The content of G&W does not even have to be in the minutes?
Anybody! please clarify.
It seems to be a way of diluting important issues and shutting them down for time and bus limitations. I do not think people realized that.
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Your BLOGMEISTER responds:
I am so fed up with the "bus is leaving" excuse. Has it ever occurred to anyone that on Delegate Assembly day, that the bus schedule should be changed to accommodate the long meeting.
Wow! what a novel idea.
Dave Israel
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Hi Elaine,
ReplyDelete"Good of the Order, General Good and Welfare, or Open Forum"
"Refers to the general welfare of the organization. Under this heading - "Good and Welfare" (in contrast to the general parliamentary rule that allows discussion only with reference to a pending motion) members who obtain the floor commonly are permitted to offer informal observations regarding the work of the organization, the public reputation of the society, or its membership, or the like.
Although Good and Welfare OFTEN involves no business or motions, the practice of some organizations would place motions or resolutions relation to FORMAL DICIPLINARY PROCEDURES for outside a meeting at this point. ...it may prompt a motion which requires that its members refrain from conduct (or practice) which is injurious to the organization or its purposes."
These citations and paraphrases (emphasis added)are from Robert's Rules of Order Newly Revised, 10th Edition, UCO's adopted parliamentary authority.
Unless a motion is made, seconded and passes (during this part of the agenda or at any point in the meeting) it is not recorded in the minutes (few exceptions). Then again, our organization has always included information in the minutes which though unnecessary, allows a more comprehensive picture of the meeting.
Should a motion be necessary to be made during Good and Welfare, a motion to suspend the rules (2/3 vote) could have been obtained by the Assembly and the motion made (in the event that the President ruled any motion at that point in time 'out of order'.
Under the circumstances, a motion to prevent UCO or its representatives from 'inviting' First Priority to a casualty location as a 'first responder' would certainly have been in order, though from what I heard at the meeting, this company has not been recommended for the past three months. Regarding the minutes... this issue was of such serious nature that including a brief statement regarding numerous complaints would certainly have been proper to place in the record.
I hope this adequately answers your querries.
Hi All,
ReplyDeleteWe here in CV, or more specifically we here in the "Mutual Benefit Organization" UCO are not members of the British houses of Parliament. The arcane absurdities of Robert's Rules... should be viewed as mere guides; loose ones at that, for the orderly conduct of a meeting. That we should spend 10 milliseconds engaged in debate over such nonsense is an egregious travesty and an insult to the Body Politic.
As such, they should be employed or discarded as needed to accomplish the companies business for the Mutual Benefit of UCO and CV Residents.
To be precise, Roberts Rules are neither, Federal, State nor County statute.
In the event your BLOGMEISTER were to become President of UCO, I would seek to have our Bylaws reflect that Roberts Rules... be so designated as merely a loose guide to the conduct of meetings and nothing more.
Dave Israel
Many thanks Randy, I had not found it online, also I should chuck my abbreviated Roberts Rules book.
ReplyDeleteHi Randall,
ReplyDeleteFebruary 8, 2010 9:22 AM,
Following is how the Bylaw should read:
"shall be used as a loose guide at all meetings of the Delegate Assembly in all cases to which they are applicable and in which they are not inconsistent with these Bylaws and any special rules of order the Assembly may adopt, and any Florida Statutes applicable to this organization."
"Shall be followed", and "as a loose guide" are hardly the same.
Dave Israel
Re-post from 9:22 AM
ReplyDeleteRandall said...
Hi Dave,
"I would seek to have our Bylaws reflect that Roberts Rules... be so designated as merely a loose guide to the conduct of meetings and nothing more." I believe that such an attempt would undermine the legal evidence used in lawsuits (since such minutes would reflect willy-nilly rules and procedures) and would lend itself to disorder, if not anarchy at meetings.
Referring to the Bylaws of UCO:
E. ROBERT’S RULES OF ORDER NEWLY REVISED (RONR) shall be followed at all meetings of the Delegate Assembly in all cases to which they are applicable and in which they are not inconsistent with these Bylaws and any special rules of order the Assembly may adopt, and any Florida Statutes applicable to this organization.
"To be precise, Roberts Rules are neither, Federal, State nor County statute."
Though this is true Dave, neither are our Bylaws or Articles of Incorporation of UCO, but both are clearly referred to in Florida Statute, and as such, the contents within these documents are legally enforceable and should be given more weight than you apparently assign them. Without rules, those with the best of intentions will most certainly create a state of anarchy.
Should you become President, I sincerely hope that you consider the need for meeting rules and procedures, and refrain from referring to our adopted Parliamentary Authority as "arcane
absurdities". Special rules of order, such as recently placing 'Unfinished Business' and 'New Business' prior to Committee Reports.
That being said, I have consulted a registered Parliamentarian on the subject of Elaine's question, I received the following response:
Subject: re: Good and Welfare Author: Larry Cisar Date/Time: 2/8/2010 6:06:00 AM
Reply:
"Can a motion be made (during Good and Wellfare)? Why not?
As to placing things in the minutes, the minutes are a reflection of what was done, not what was said. You need a motion to place the item in the minutes -- either a motion about the item or a motion to place mention in the minutes."
I thought I could tone down my comment by deleting it and smoothing it out a bit before re-posting.
"Shall be followed", and "as a loose guide" are hardly the same.
I agree, David. But please recognize that we are probably the largest Board of Directors in the world, and an "informal guide" is probably a more acceptable compromise, under the circumstances.
Hi Randall,
ReplyDeleteFebruary 8, 2010 10:36 AM,
I can fully subscribe to "informal Guide"
thanks,
Dave Israel